yeah den I've heard the slim was built better and alot of its issues have been fixed. that's what I've been debating about a cheaper one for 80 then gotta buy the wireless adapter, a gold membership, and then a game. buy a new then get a warranty, wifi built in, and just need membership then game. it just comes down to actually seeing which model he's selling and checking it really. but ill probably get both knowing me lol the whole 2 systems in living room then bedroom set up is always nice lol